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    国外专业网站对北京立体陀飞轮的测评及看法
    发表于北京 2014-8-22 00:16:24 | 显示全部楼层
    本帖最后由 老面 于 2014-8-23 00:08 编辑

    为了便于表友看帖,活跃本版氛围,现在将钟表茶馆的部分内容分别发帖,谢谢表友观看。

    2014-04-01

    转一篇文章,值得一看。

    国外对北京手表厂无极陀飞轮的测评。

    感谢表友:流动的艺术,将原文译成中文便于大家观赏!{:4_85:}译文在10楼。

    我们平时看到的听到的多是表厂自己的宣传,还有国内媒体的正面评价,和赞扬以及不够专业的评论。

    此时看看国外使用什么样的目光来看国产高端腕表,他们得到了什么样的结论,文中对中国制表业的一些看法和言辞虽然激烈但也属实。这样的评论也许更客观,更公正,更真实,更理性。

    我们不妄自菲薄,也不骄傲自大,面对赞扬要保持冷静,面对疑问和鄙夷更要虚心,踏实的从基础做起。

    英文不好的表友(比如我)用百度或者谷歌的翻译功能完全可以看懂这篇文章。

    Beijing Watch Factory Wu Ji “Infinite Universe” Bi-Axial Tourbillon Watch Hands-On

    Chinese watchmaking is nothing new, nor is it unsophisticated. All of this is evidenced by the 2013 Wu Ji watch by the Beijing Watch Factory. "Wu Ji" apparently translates from Mandarin to "Infinite Universe" in English, a lofty title typical of Chinese naming practices. That said, the Beijing Watch Factory should be proud. Once again they've broken ground for their country by producing what they claim is the most complicated watch produced on mainland China. What impressee more is the brand itself, and their rather atypically refined sense of composure.
    China isn't known for creative watch design. China is known for production, copying, and diligence - which applies to their own watch industry as well. From a production and consumption standpoint, China is the most important place in the world for watches. All but the most exclusive of Swiss watch brands rely heavily on China for the production of watch parts - such as cases and straps - even when they contain "Swisade" movements. Native Chinese brands are neverthelesarred by national qualities which oppose many of the qualities that allow for beautiful watchmaking. Ask the Swiss how they make watches and they use the term "slow" and "careful" a lot. China's industrial power comes from the fact that they aren't slow and often not careful. So why do we expect them to make good watches the Swiss way? The simple answer is that they don't.

    Although, these generalities aren't rules. Not all Chinese watches exhibit confusing and awkward designs that that woefully seek to emulate European aesthetics. There are, however, excellent examples of Chinese watchmakers who emulate the Swiss rather well. This is both the strength and weakness of the Chinese watch industry. To be considered "good" by traditional standards, they need to still copy the West. To be bad, they need only to copy poorly. No matter what China is still copying, my hope at least - and there are positive signs of this - is that with China's serious and sincere love of watches we will eventually see unique design in both the outside and inside of their domestically made watches.

    While there are many elements of Swiss watch design seen in the Wu Ji, it is a pleasantly original and interesting timepiece. While elements such as overall aesthetic in many of Beijing Watch Factory's designs are inherently European, they do however take many artistic liberties in producing unique products. The Wu Ji is a glowing and ambitious example of what they can produce. Even though Chinese watch manufacturing is huge, those that can produce credible mechanical watches are still limited and few watch lovers would claim that Chinese-made mechanical movements are excellent. I am not an expert on all Chinese movements, but I do know that most of them are copies of Swisovements. The mechanism in the Infinite Universe clearly isn't. While an inspection of the movement makes it clear that this is a Chinese creation, I found many of the unique elements quite interesting. What I love about this watch is how the complications are much more than skin deep. What you see is only half of what you get. First and foremost, I'll explain how you even tell the time.


    It would be wrong to look at this watch dial and assume you can read the time as you would on most other round-dialed watches. In fact only the upper half of the dial is used to read the time. A shortened scale for all 12 hours is placed on the top half of the dial, and both the hour and minute hand have retrograde mechanisms that have them jump back to the starting point when necessary. Thiakes the dial extremely confusing at first if you don't know what you are looking at. I was playing with it to set the time and noticed the hands were jumping around wildly. "Is the watch broken?" I wondered until I realized what I was seeing. The large bi-axial tourbillon at the bottom of the dial is so tall that the watch maker decided he never wanted the hands to go over it. The double retrograde system for the hour and minute hand is designed to prevent the hands from ever accidentally touching it. The benefit is a watch with such a tourbillon system that does not require a "bubble" in the crystal. At 17.2mm thick, the watch could certainly have been thicker.
    The tourbillon element of the Wu Ji is quite amusing. What you have is a bi-axial tourbillon that is basically a smaller tourbillon inside of a larger tourbillon. Then you have a traditional flying tourbillon as a separate element on the dial. I've never before seen a watch with two different types of tourbillons on the dial. It is interesting, to say the least. The traditional tourbillon has a pleasant bird-shaped bridge which I enjoy. In addition to the tourbillons and the unique time telling system, the Wu Ji watch also contains a retrograde date indicator as well as a power reserve indicator. The manually wound movement holds just over 50 hours of power reserve. On the rear of the watch is an additional complication; a moon phase indicator, with a blue enameled disc.

    Claimed accuracy for the caliber TB09 movement isn't bad. Beijing Watch Factory says the Wu Ji is accurate to about plus or minus 10 seconds a day. That isn't quite chronometric standards, but probably in line with many Swiss tourbillons. Other Chinese movements can often be off by auch as a minute a day. So all things being considered, 10 seconds a day for this type of complex movement is pretty good.

    What the watch cannot escape from is China's ubiquitous use of machine-decorated parts. Timepieces of this quality in Switzerland exhibit a high level of hands-on attention. Of course the Wu Ji was hand-assembled, but like its lower-priced brethren, it uses parts that have machine polishes. Skilled watch lovers, for example, can always spot "Chinese Geneva stripes" as oppose to the more refined Cotes de Geneve lines on Swiss watches. The Chinese watch industry has all the money and motivation to up their ante a bit when it comes to decoration, but it is possible it just isn't in their DNA. Traditional Swiss watch making goes to great and careful lengths to ensure that movement aesthetics are perfect. They use special woods to polish metals and age-old techniques that perhaps never quite made their way over to China. The real culprit however is probably sheer time. Watch movement decoration is the most time consuming part of high-end watch making. To keep prices and production schedules reasonable, I simply don't think that China can handle the intense slowness of the Swiss.

    On the wrist, the Beijing Watch Factory Wu Ji is 44mm wide and sits large thanks to its wide lugs. The case comes in either 18k rose gold or platinum. The inspiration for the design is clearly Greubel Forsey-ish, but it looks decent and I am happy that it isn't just something simple and round. Nothing like a boring perfectly round case to destroy an otherwise unique wearing experience. The Infinite Universe is conservative, but has learned that boring isn't the same thing. The level of uniquenesixed with traditional looks is an art that Europeans have learned well, and the Wu Ji is the latest to replicate that. Does it succeed? It really depends on who you ask.

    Beijing Watch Factory has succeeded in impressing me - a lot. It has also succeeding in producing something that is both unique and interesting, but is also the type of thing that even the most snobbish watch lovers will take notice of. Complex Chinese watches are here and here to stay, and they are getting better each year. Are they alternatives to the more expensive Swiss stock? Yes, but they aren't outright replacements. Swiss watches will probably always beat Chinese watches when it comes to sheer refinement and attention to detail. More and more I am convinced that this is caused by a fundamental difference in culture and values. It isn't a matter of better or worse, but what goes into the production of tiny mechanical art. Having said that, the Chinese will always beat the Swiss when it comes to price.

    What makes the high-end Chinese watch industry unique is that they are trying to provide something that the current culture is not set up to do as well as the Europeans, and to me that is an admirable feat. In a huge way it is ironic as the Chinese are the post ardent appreciators of Swiss watch making craftsmanship. Perhaps because it is so counter to their own culture's production values. Pride however is strong in both cultures, and brands like the Beijing Watch Factory thrive on being able to be Chinese and be the best at what they do. As it stands we will continue to watch as the Chinese develop new and interesting movements, and no longer consider them as a a mere novelty not worth the investment of real watch lover money. And an investment the Wu Ji is. Given the complexity the watch it is arguably well priced, but still lofty, going for between 460,000 - 520,000 Chinese Yuan. That is about $75,000 - $85,000.

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      是懂非懂,姑且看看

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            面老师能否翻译一下

            我是用百度翻译看的{:4_97:}

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              发表于安徽六安 2014-8-22 13:27:07 | 显示全部楼层
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                      发表于湖北武汉 2014-8-22 20:45:07 | 显示全部楼层
                      本帖最后由 流动的艺术 于 2014-8-22 20:56 编辑

                      心血来潮,萌发了翻译一下的想法!但是个人水平和精力有限,就请各位多包涵。
                      如果老面版主觉得翻译得实在难以入眼的话,就删掉本人的帖子吧,嘿嘿,本人绝不会有任何不愉快的!还望多批评。


                      北京手表厂“无极”——“无限宇宙”双轴陀飞轮腕表

                      中国的制表业既无设计上的新意也无制作上的精良,这一切在2013年北京手表厂的“无极”腕表上可见一斑。无极从汉语里翻译过来对应的英文解释就是无限宇宙的意思,这是个典型的中国式命名方法。它意味着北京手表厂应该引以为豪,因为它们再度为这个国家的制表行业取得突破,生产了它们所谓的迄今为止中国大陆最复杂的腕表。当然,所传递更多的则是该腕表品牌的含义和它们所定义的非典型的精致沉着。

                      中国和它们的手表工业不知道什么是真正的创意性手表设计,它们只知道生产、抄袭和用功。从产品和消费的立场来看,中国是世界手表行业最重要的地方。所有并且包括很多瑞士专有手表品牌,虽然它们的机芯标有Swisade的字样,但仍旧十分依赖中国,因为中国生产了很多手表部件,例如机壳和皮带。本土的中国手表品牌受限,因为中国人的素质和生产一块好手表需要的素质完全相反。如果你问瑞士人他们怎么做手表,他们会说慢工出细活(“慢”和“仔细”)。中国的工业力量有这样一个事实,即他们不慢,并且常常也不仔细。这样我们又怎么希望他们能用瑞士的思路生产出出手表呢。他们肯定不能。

                      尽管这些概论不是法则。并不是所有的中国手表都展示出了在他们不幸的追求模仿欧洲审美失败下可怜和尴尬的设计。有一些杰出的制表师在模仿瑞士方面就做得很好。这既是中国制表行业的软肋也是他们的优势。要在传统审美标准下被接受为好,他们需要模仿西方。不好,他们只需要模仿的不好一点。不管怎样,中国始终在抄袭。我只希望,并且现在看来有了这方面积极的迹象,在中国人严肃而真诚对手表的热爱下,他们最后能设计出无论是外在还是内在都独特的手表。


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